My wife's son is and many other family members are, this is how you are look at them.

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Homosexuality
by Bahá'u'lláh, Shoghi Effendi, and Universal House of Justice
compiled by Research Department of the Universal House of Justice.
1993
Contents
  1. Extracts from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh
    Extracts from letters written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi
    Extracts from letters written by or on behalf of the Universal House of Justice

Extracts from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh
We shrink for very shame, from treating of the subject of boys. Fear ye the Merciful, O peoples of the world! Commit not that which if forbidden you in Our Holy Tablet, and be not of those who rove distractedly in the wilderness of their desires. (Kitab-i-Aqdas, paragraph 107) [1]
Ye are forbidden to commit adultery, sodomy and lechery. Avoid them, O concourse of the faithful. By the righteousness of God! Ye have been called into being to purge the world from the defilement of evil passions. This is what the Lord of all mankind hath enjoined upon you, could ye but perceive it. He who relateth himself to the All-Merciful and committeth satanic deeds, verily he is not of Me. Unto this beareth witness every atom, pebble, tree and fruit, and beyond them this ever-proclaiming, truthful and trustworthy Tongue. (From a previously untranslated Tablet) [2]

Extracts from letters written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi:
...Bahá'u'lláh has spoken very strongly against this shameful sexual aberration, as He has against adultery and immoral conduct in general. We must try and help the soul to overcome them. (25 October 1949) [3]
No matter how devoted and fine the love may be between people of the same sex, to let it find expression in sexual acts is wrong. To say that it is ideal is no excuse. Immorality of every sort is really forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh, and homosexual relationships He looks upon as such, besides being against nature.
To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help of doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap.
God judges each soul on its own merits. The Guardian cannot tell you what the attitude of God would be towards a person who lives a good life in most ways, but not in this way. All he can tell you is that it is forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh, and that one so afflicted should struggle and struggle again to overcome it. We must be hopeful of God's mercy but not impose upon it. (26 March 1950) [4]
Regarding the question you asked him about one of the believers who seems to be flagrantly homosexual -- although to a certain extent we must be forbearing in the matter of people's moral conduct because of the terrible deterioration in society in general, this does not mean that we can put up indefinitely with conduct which is disgracing the Cause. The person should
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have it brought to his attention that such acts are condemned by Bahá'u'lláh, and that he must mend his ways, if necessary consult doctors, and make every effort to overcome this affliction, which is corruptive for him and bad for the Cause. If after a period of probation you do not see an improvement, he should have his voting rights taken away. The Guardian does not think, however, that a Bahá'í body should take it upon itself to denounce him to the Authorities unless his conduct borders on insanity. (20 June 1953 to the National Spiritual Assembly of Canada, published in "Messages to Canada" [Ed. - p. 39]) [5]
Homosexuality is highly condemned and often a great trial and cause of suffering to a person, as a Bahá'í. Any individual so afflicted must, through prayer, and any other means, seek to overcome this handicap. But, unless the actions of such individuals are flagrantly immoral, it cannot be a pretext for depriving them of their voting rights. (6 October 1956) [6]

Extracts from letters written by or on behalf of the Universal House of Justice:
Bahá'í teachings on sexual morality centre on marriage and the family as the bedrock of the whole structure of human society and are designed to protect and strengthen that divine institution. Thus Bahá'í law restricts permissible sexual intercourse to that between a man and the woman to whom he is married.
Thus, it should not be so much a matter of whether a practicing homosexual can be a Bahá'í as whether, having become a Bahá'í, the homosexual can overcome his problem through knowledge of the teachings and reliance on Bahá'u'lláh. (14 March 1973 written by the Universal House of Justice) [7]
In response to another letter enquiring if there were any legitimate way in which a person could express the sex instinct if, for some reason, he were unable to marry or if outer circumstances such as economic factors were to cause him to delay marriage, the Guardian's secretary wrote on his behalf:

Concerning your question whether there are any legitimate forms of expression of the sex instinct outside of marriage; according to the Bahá'í Teachings no sexual act can be considered lawful unless performed between lawfully married persons. Outside of marital life there can be no lawful or healthy use of the sex impulse. The Bahá'í youth should, on the one hand, be taught the lesson of self-control which, when exercised, undoubtedly has a salutary effect on the development of character and of personality in general, and on the other should be advised, nay even encouraged, to contract marriage while still young and in​
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full possession of their physical vigour. Economic factors, no doubt, are often a serious hindrance to early marriage, but in most cases are only an excuse, and as such should not be overstressed. (5 March 1975) [8]​
While recognizing the divine origin and force of the sex impulse in man, religion teaches that it must be controlled, and Bahá'u'lláh's law confines its expression to the marriage relationship. The unmarried homosexual is therefore in the same position as anyone else who does not marry. The Law of God requires them to practise chastity.
...Every believer needs to remember that an essential characteristic of this physical world is that we are constantly faced with trials, tribulations, hardships and sufferings and that by overcoming them we achieve our moral and spiritual development; that we must seek to accomplish in the future what we may have failed to do in the past; that this is the way God tests His servants and we should look upon every failure or shortcoming as an opportunity to try again and to acquire a fuller consciousness of the Divine Will and purpose.
Certainly the problem confronting you is a difficult one. However, its solution lies within your power, for Bahá'u'lláh has assured us that God "will never deal unjustly with anyone, neither will He task a soul beyond its power."3 And again, "Whensoever he hath fulfilled the conditions implied in the verse: whoso maketh efforts for Us, he shall enjoy the blessings conferred by the words: 'In Our Way shall We assuredly guide him"'.4 You can be confident that with the help of doctors, by prayer and meditation, by self-abnegation and by giving as much time as possible to serving the Cause in your community you can eventually succeed in overcoming your problem. (9 January 1977 on behalf of the Universal House of Justice) [9]
When a person wishes to join the Faith and it is generally known that he has a problem such as drinking, homosexuality, taking drugs, adultery, etc., he should be told in a patient and loving way of the Bahá'í teachings on these matters. If it is later discovered that a believer is violating Bahá'í standards, it is the duty of the Assembly to determine whether the immoral conduct is open and scandalous and can bring the name of the Faith into disrepute, in which case the Assembly must take action to counsel the believer and require him to make every effort to mend his ways. If he fails to rectify his conduct in spite of repeated warnings, sanctions should be imposed. Assemblies, of course, must exercise care not to pry into the private lives of the believers to ensure that they are behaving properly.
3. "Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh" (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1983), p. 106
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Man's physical existence on this earth is a period during which the moral exercise of his free will is tried and tested in order to prepare his soul for the other worlds of God, and we must welcome affliction and tribulations as opportunities for improvement in our eternal selves. The House of Justice points out that homosexuals are not the only segment of human society labouring at this daily task -- every human being is beset by such inner promptings as pride, greed, selfishness, lustful heterosexual or homosexual desires, to name a few which must be overcome, and overcome them we must if we are to fulfil the purpose of our human existence.
The House of Justice asks us to point out that the recognition of the Manifestation of God is but the beginning of a process of growth and that as we become more deepened in the Teachings and strive to follow His principles, we gradually approach more and more the perfect pattern which is presented to us. Bahá'u'lláh recognizes that human beings are fallible. He knows that, in our weakness, we shall repeatedly stumble when we try to walk in the path He has pointed out to us. If all human beings become perfect the moment they accepted the call of Bahá'u'lláh, this world would be another world.
Recognizing imperfections, which we all have, is a positive step towards spiritual growth. Every living thing must change; it is the very nature of life. This growth and change can be imperceptible and slow or dramatic and rapid. It is said in a letter dated 6 October 1954 written by the beloved Guardian's secretary on his behalf to an individual believer:

When a person becomes a Bahá'í, actually what takes place is that the seed of the spirit starts to grow in the human soul. This seed must be watered by the outpourings of the Holy Spirit. These gifts of the spirit are received through prayer, meditation, study of the Holy Utterances and service to the Cause of God."​
Another letter written on 22 October 1949 on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer states:

"We must be patient with others, infinitely patient!, but also with our own poor selves, remembering that even the Prophets of God sometimes got tired and cried out in despair! ...He urges you to persevere and add up your accomplishments, rather than to dwell on the dark side of things. Everyone's life has both a dark and bright side. The Master said: turn your back to the darkness and your face to me." (2 December 1980 on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to a National Spiritual Assembly) [10]​
The House of Justice comments that while there is little in Bahá'í literature that specifically points to the causes of homosexuality itself, there is much that concerns the nature of man, his inner life and growth, and the way to a true Bahá'í life. If you are sincerely intent on overcoming your problem,Homosexuality 7
you must yourself determine to resist wayward impulses each time they arise and the House of Justice feels that there is no better way than to turn to the Writings to divert our thoughts into spiritual channels, perhaps to concentrate on what we may do to help others along the way to discovering the Bahá'í Faith. The more we occupy ourselves with teaching the Cause and serving our fellowman in this way, the stronger we become in resisting that which is abhorrent to our spiritual selves. (16 July 1980 on behalf of the Universal House of Justice) [11]
There should be real incentive for you to courageously face the problems inherent in the situation you describe in your letter, and to firmly resolve to change your way of life. But you must desire to do so. Both you and your Bahá'í friend must first recognize that a homosexual relationship subverts the purpose of human life and that determined effort to overcome the wayward tendencies which promote this practice which, like other sexual vices, is so abhorrent to the Creator of all mankind will help you both to return to a path that leads to true happiness. (23 August 1982 on behalf of the Universal House of Justice) [12]
...the Faith does not recognize homosexuality as a "natural" or permanent phenomenon. Rather, it sees this as an aberration subject to treatment, however intractable exclusive homosexuality may now seem to be. To the question of alteration of homosexual bents, much study must be given, and doubtless in the future clear principles of prevention and treatment will emerge. As for those now afflicted, a homosexual does not decide to be a problem human, but he does, as you rightly state, have decision in choosing his way of life, i.e. abstaining from homosexual acts.
Your plea for understanding of and justice extended to homosexuals is well taken in many respects, and the House of Justice assures you of its concern for the large number of persons so afflicted. Your work with the homosexual community is praiseworthy, and it permits you personally to exercise the support which is necessary for these often harassed persons, support which you call for in your essay. Moreover, your interest cannot but be therapeutic, at least for the more superficial elements of the problem; however, definitive therapy of the underlying predisposition, which you consider to be innate but the Teachings do not, may have to await additional investigations. As for the responsibility of Assemblies and of individual Bahá'ís, certainly all are called upon to be understanding, supportive and helpful to any individual who carries the burden of homosexuality.
As a young physician, you may wish to use this quotation, taken from a letter written by the Guardian to an individual believer in March l9S0, as your guidance: "To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help of doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap." (22 March 1987) [13]
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The Universal House of Justice understands the concern you feel upon discovering that the Faith includes teachings about homosexuality which differ so markedly from your own views. This discovery may best be regarded not as a challenge to your faith in Bahá'u'lláh but rather as an opportunity for you to acquire a deeper understanding of the Baha i teachings and their implications.
When an individual becomes a Bahá'í, he or she accepts the claim of Bahá'u'lláh to be the Manifestation of God bringing a divinely-inspired message from God for the benefit of mankind. Implicit in the acceptance of this claim is the commitment of the believer to embark on the lifelong process of endeavouring to implement the teachings on personal conduct. Through sincere and sustained effort, energized by faith in the validity of the Divine Message, and combined with patience with oneself and the loving support of the Bahá'í community, individuals are able to effect a change in their behaviour; as a consequence of this effort they partake of spiritual benefits which liberate them and which bestow a true happiness beyond description.
As you know, Bahá'u'lláh has clearly forbidden the expression of sexual love between individuals of the same sex. However, the doors are open for all of humanity to enter the Cause of God, irrespective of their present circumstance; this invitation applies to homosexuals as well as to any others who are engaged in practices contrary to the Bahá'í teachings. Associated with this invitation is the expectation that all believers will make a sincere and persistent effort to eradicate those aspects of their conduct which are not in conformity with Divine Law. In the case of homosexuality, the Guardian has stated, in a letter written on his behalf on 26 March 1950, that "through the advice and help of doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap!".
As to why Bahá'u'lláh forbade the expression of sexual love between people of the same sex, this question relates to the broader and more fundamental question of the purpose of the laws of Bahá'u'lláh and of the Bahá'í teachings on sexual morality The laws do not represent a sterile and inhumane legal code, but rather the divine prescription, a definition of how an individual must act in order to achieve true freedom and spiritual happiness in this world and the next. Bahá'u'lláh wrote that:

The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments ...​
The whole of mankind is in the grip of manifold ills. Strive, therefore, to save its life through the wholesome medicine which the almighty hand of the unerring Physician hath prepared. ("Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh", rev. ed. (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1984) sec. XXXIV, pp. 80-81)Homosexuality 9
In a letter dated 6 February 1973 sent to all National Spiritual Assemblies, the Universal House of Justice underlined the importance of the law of God to both individual and social development, and described the effect of obedience to the laws on individual lives:

Just as there are laws governing our physical lives, requiring that we must supply our bodies with certain foods, maintain them within a certain range of temperatures, and so forth, if we wish to avoid physical disabilities, so also there are laws governing our spiritual lives. These laws are revealed to mankind in each age by the Manifestation of God, and obedience to them is of vital importance if each human being, and mankind in general, is to develop properly and harmoniously. Moreover, these various aspects are interdependent. If an individual violates the spiritual laws for his own development he will cause injury not only to himself but to the society in which he lives. Similarly, the condition of society has a direct effect on the individuals who must live within it.​
As you point out, it is particularly difficult to follow the laws of Bahá'u'lláh in present-day society whose accepted practice is so at variance with the standards of the Faith However, there are certain laws that are so fundamental to the healthy functioning of human society that they must be upheld whatever the circumstances ...​
In considering the effect of obedience to the laws on individual lives, one must remember that the purpose of this life is to prepare the soul for the next. Here one must learn to control and direct one's animal impulses, not to be a slave to them. Life in this world is a succession of tests and achievements, of falling short and of making new spiritual advances. Sometimes the course may seem very hard, but one can witness, again and again, that the soul who steadfastly obeys the law of Bahá'u'lláh, however hard it may seem, grows spiritually, while the one who compromises with the law for the sake of his own apparent happiness is seen to have been following a chimera: he does not attain the happiness he sought, he retards his spiritual advance and often brings new problems upon himself.
With regard to the Bahá'í teachings on sexuality, the extract (cited below), from a letter dated 5 September 1938, written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer, provides a succinct summary:

Briefly stated the Bahá'í conception of sex is based on the belief that chastity should be strictly practiced by both sexes, not only because it is in itself highly commendable ethically, but also due to its being the only way to a happy and successful marital life Sex relationships of any form, outside marriage, are not permissible therefore, and whoso violates this rule will not only be responsible to God, but will incur the necessary punishment from society.​
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The Bahá'í Faith recognizes the value of the sex impulse, but condemns its illegitimate and improper expression such as free love, companionate marriage and others, all of which it considers positively harmful to man and to the society in which he lives. The proper use of the sex instinct is the natural right of every individual, and it is precisely for this very purpose that the institution of marriage has been established. The Bahá'ís do not believe in the suppression of the sex impulse but in its regulation and control. (30 June 1988) [14]​
...you write that you cannot explain to a friend why her way of love, homosexual love, is wrong and that your lack of understanding on this point also hampers your teaching efforts. Until there is wide recognition of Bahá'u'lláh as the Revealer of the Divine Will, there is no answer that will satisfy all questioners, particularly one who has a vested interest in maintaining that his behavior is innocuous. Homosexuality has been forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh in His Book of Laws, just as it was forbidden by other Prophets of God.... (3 July 1990) [15]
The House of Justice was sorry to learn from your letter that your son has recently informed you that he is a homosexual. It commends your attitude of compassion and your efforts to both maintain harmony in your marriage and to keep open the lines of communication to your son. - In answer to your specific question, there is little in the Bahá'í writings that specifically points to the causes of homosexuality itself, but as the House of Justice has emphasized in past letters to individuals who sought its advice on this question, there is much that concerns the nature of man, his inner life and growth, and the way to a true Bahá'í life In a letter to an individual believer, the beloved Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, gave the following advice:

No matter how devoted and fine the love may be between people of the same sex, to let it find expression in sexual acts is wrong. To say that it is ideal is no excuse. Immorality of every sort is really forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh, and homosexual relationships He looks upon as such, besides being against nature.​
To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help of doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap.​
God judges each soul on its own merits. The Guardian cannot tell you what the attitude of God would be towards a person who lives a good life in most ways, but not in this way. All he can tell you is that it is forbidden by Bahá'u'lláh, and that one so afflicted should struggle and struggle again to overcome it We must be hopeful of God s mercy but not impose upon it.​
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This time, you address the Bahá'ís as "you". Previously, you have written "we". I can't figure you out: are you a Bahá'í or not?

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Jun 2018
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This time, you address the Bahá'ís as "you". Previously, you have written "we". I can't figure you out: are you a Bahá'í or not?

Best,

from

a puzzled gnat
I'm a Bahai, didn't mean to confuse anyone, basically poor written expression I assume.
 
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Are you making the point that the Baha'i Community is in error or something by not following the guidance?
Neither, my LGBT family see the BF as a bigoted against people fo the LGBT persuasion. They argue that science has proven true LGBT are born that way, so it's of God, and the BF is not following the law that science must be followed. Personally I don't care about the, no marriage as I can construct that in my mind to make sense that a woman and a man in a marriage have the goal to biologically have children who are a combination of the the two bodies. Also children need to protected on a legal ground also. I do feel LGBT should be able to at least have legal binding contracts to protect each other in the case of dissolution of their commitment to each other. I also feel that a LGBT 'couple' should be able to adopt children if they wish. Also, from what I understand that LGBT will not be punished by God, now or after mortal death. And that some LGBT will be more spiritually advanced than many of those who profess to be spritual, Bahai or other.
 
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Neither, my LGBT family see the BF as a bigoted against people fo the LGBT persuasion. They argue that science has proven true LGBT are born that way, so it's of God, and the BF is not following the law that science must be followed. Personally I don't care about the, no marriage as I can construct that in my mind to make sense that a woman and a man in a marriage have the goal to biologically have children who are a combination of the the two bodies. Also children need to protected on a legal ground also. I do feel LGBT should be able to at least have legal binding contracts to protect each other in the case of dissolution of their commitment to each other. I also feel that a LGBT 'couple' should be able to adopt children if they wish. Also, from what I understand that LGBT will not be punished by God, now or after mortal death. And that some LGBT will be more spiritually advanced than many of those who profess to be spritual, Bahai or other.
Only God can judge another soul. It is for Baha'is to love all regardless of their sexual orientation. We can't control how others view us, but we can makes efforts to overcome our own prejudices and negative attitudes and love people regardless of LGBT status.

Are your LGBT family members Baha'is?
 
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Only God can judge another soul. It is for Baha'is to love all regardless of their sexual orientation. We can't control how others view us, but we can makes efforts to overcome our own prejudices and negative attitudes and love people regardless of LGBT status.

Are your LGBT family members Baha'is?
As soon as I present Bahai Teachings about no marriage, and God saying physical love is forbidden their facial expression turns sour. and the discussion is over. They same it's don't ask, don't tell and they are done with hiding who they are. I don't blame them. It's difficult to defend these teachings when in the same breath we are to love and respect all others, yet say that absolutly they are not normal in God's eyes, even though they point to many science studies from prominent universities that say for many humans beings born with these inclinations is a fact of nature and of God. I can see that for some it can be a choice but that for many they have no choice, no more so than we are drawn to eating, breathing to the opposite sex, but some have they drive for the same sex due to nature.
 
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I do not know why we should care about what others think when we tell them about God's laws. I also do not know why we should talk about the laws (specially these tough ones) to those who are not yet ready to hear them.
 
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As soon as I present Bahai Teachings about no marriage, and God saying physical love is forbidden their facial expression turns sour. and the discussion is over. They same it's don't ask, don't tell and they are done with hiding who they are. I don't blame them. It's difficult to defend these teachings when in the same breath we are to love and respect all others, yet say that absolutly they are not normal in God's eyes, even though they point to many science studies from prominent universities that say for many humans beings born with these inclinations is a fact of nature and of God. I can see that for some it can be a choice but that for many they have no choice, no more so than we are drawn to eating, breathing to the opposite sex, but some have they drive for the same sex due to nature.
The Baha’i Faith is not for everyone. We have the obligation given to us by God to investigate and choose our own paths in life. If you have chosen Baha’u’llah’s path the best way you can approach others with your faith is carefully and respectful state what the writings say. One big mistake a Baha’i can make is to try to paraphrase the teachings with their own interpretations of them. I think what most new Baha’i’s believe what they know as being 100% true is really about 35% true once they are deepened in the faith. Baha’u’llah’s and Abdu’l-Baha’s words have special power learn the full textual explanation and commit it to memory.

No one that I have loved and called family or friend has embraced the faith and I don’t associate with the majority of them much because most are idle materialists just commuting, procreating, bitching, complaining and consuming. I live out in the country now and I’m not going to drive a few hours to the city and sit around a bar and watch my friends/family drink themselves silly and rehash events that occurs 20 years ago where we all got “so fucked up” like those days were the best days of our lives. My best days are ahead of me as I deepen myself in the Faith. If you spend too much time worrying about others finding the Faith you will only frustrate yourself. If you have made mention of Baha’u’llah’s mission and you live a Baha’i life your doing just fine.

On a side note to this I think the greatest failing of the Baha’i Administration globally is focusing too much on converting people to the Baha’i Faith rather than spreading Baha’u’llah’s message. I believe we would not still be waiting for Entry by Troops for example if it were not for the whitewashing of the mystical foundations of the Baha’i Faith and focusing on the social teachings. It only brings in a certain type of person and the what is actually going on in the world of creation is a type of spiritual alchemy performed on humanity. Not until the Faith has learned to promote the most difficult aspects of the teaching to defend will the world take notice. I trust God though, I may think that many missteps have been made in the unfolding of the faith and I see it as a fearful and even sickly child but I have faith that this is just an incubation period where the limbs and the body of the faith are developing out of my view and just because I see no sign of hope God is at work.

Scientific studies in the social sciences are not very scientific, they are always political motivated if only that there is no money available for studies that don’t reenforce these bizarre Intersectional/Marxist LBGTxyz ideas prevalent these days. I’m sure that there is a scientific study that disproved every aspect of the faith in some university library. What most Baha’i’s don’t realize is that the faiths teaching totally decimate modern sciences assumptions. While science can quantify physical actions with incredible accuracy it is hopeless at answering why or how anything occurs.

One thing to point out is that which comes from nature is not of God. God is perfect and all created things are imperfect. There is no scientific evidence where sexual preference is formed. Everything a social scientist theorizes is happening is just a theory without any foundation.

Homosexuality is a choice and you are not born gay or strait. Homosexuality is a physical act not a genetic mutation or a type of person. You chose what attributes attract you or repel you based on more factors than I can recount or than can be noted here. Some people can only be sexually aroused by an inanimate object like a shoe. This fetish is a perversion of what God has created you for, there is not a sexual orientation for shoe lover it’s a mental disfunction that needs to be treated like homosexuality is an disfunction.

What I have said might seem harsh to some but I know everything I have said can be supported in the writings.

Be a happy person and love your family and don’t worry for them. Say a prayer if your concerned and ask God to intercede in their life and show them the truth.

The worst thing you can do is drive in a wedge with your family regarding your religious beliefs and their choices. It there really supper crazy’s gay like with fireworks and daily drama don’t get caught up in it. If it’s just a matter of you have this faith that you want to share with and there not receptive don’t give it another thought. I promise you it will all work out ok in the end.

Peace
 
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Neither, my LGBT family see the BF as a bigoted against people for the LGBT persuasion. They argue that science has proven true LGBT are born that way, so it's of God, and the BF is not following the law that science must be followed.
Are gays ‘born that way’? Most Americans now say yes, but science says no

PRINCETON, NJ, May 20, 2015 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- For the first time, a majority of Americans say that homosexuals are "born that way."

According to the latest Gallup poll, 51 percent of Americans say that people are born gay or lesbian, while only 30 percent say outside factors such as upbringing and environment determine sexual orientation.

However, science would not bear that out. No fewer than eight major studies from around the world have found homosexuality is not a genetic condition.

Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council says that these numerous, rigorous studies of identical twins have now made it impossible to argue that there is a "gay gene." If homosexuality were inborn and predetermined, then when one identical twin is homosexual, the other should be, as well.

Yet one study from Yale and Columbia Universities found homosexuality common to only 6.7 percent of male identical twins and 5.3 percent of female identical twins.

The low rate of common homosexuality in identical twins – around six percent – is easily explained by nurture, not nature.

Researchers Peter Bearman and Hannah Brueckner concluded that environment was the determining factor. They rejected outright that "genetic influence independent of social context" as the reason for homosexuality. "(O)ur results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same-sex romantic preferences."

"Less gendered socialization" means, a boy was without a positive father figure, or a girl was without a positive mother figure.

In light of the evidence, Sprigg said simply, "No one is born gay."

Psychiatrists William Byne and Bruce Parsons summarize the science: "Critical review shows the evidence favoring a biologic theory to be lacking. ... In fact, the current trend may be to underrate the explanatory power of extant psychosocial models." In other words, homosexuality is a psychological malady, not something people are born with.

Some homosexuals openly admit that their lifestyle is a choice. Lindsay Miller, who describes herself as a "queer woman," complained in The Atlantic monthly, "I get frustrated with the veiled condescension of straight people who believe that queers 'can't help it,' and thus should be treated with tolerance and pity.”

“I was not born this way,” she wrote. “The life I have now is not something I ended up with because I had no other options. Make no mistake – it's a life I chose.”

"It's time to send the 'born that way' myth to the graveyard of misbegotten ideas, buried in the plot next to the myth that the sun revolves around the earth,” Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association has written.

And yet, the myth continues to gain believers, even among conservatives. According to the new Gallup poll, Republicans are divided on whether Americans are born homosexual (40 percent) or whether same-sex orientation is determined by environmental factors (36 percent).

In previous polls, a majority of Republicans have said homosexuality is not innate. Now, according to this poll, they are equally likely to view sexual orientation as inherent, rather than a choice or a consequence of how people were raised. In all, 62 percent of Democrats believe homosexuals were born that way.

The issue affects Republican politicians who, like all politicians, base their public statements on the polls. Presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson recently apologized for merely suggesting people choose to be gay or lesbian. Sen. Marco Rubio has said that, while he does not support same-sex "marriage," he believes that people are born gay or lesbian.

Fischer says our society and particularly our presidential candidates should make policy based on medical and scientific reality, not polls. "If homosexual behavior is a choice, then our public policy can freely be shaped by an honest look at whether this behavioral choice is healthy and should be encouraged, or unhealthy and dangerous and consequently discouraged," he wrote.

There is no debate over the health threats posed by engaging in the homosexual lifestyle. Fischer notes that the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association admits homosexuals are at greater risk of AIDS, substance and alcohol abuse, depression and anxiety, hepatitis, STDs, and prostate and colon cancer.

"This is not behavior that any rational society should condone, endorse, subsidize, reward, promote or sanction in domestic policy or in the marketplace,” Fischer wrote. “It's a choice, and a bad one at that."

The Gallup poll, taken May 6-10, also reports a new record high number of Americans support same-sex "marriage."

The poll is based on telephone interviews with a random sample of 1,024 adults, aged 18 and older, living in the United States. The organization says its margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level.

Are gays ‘born that way’? Most Americans now say yes, but science says no
 

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