On earth we all tread the same earth...

Nov 2010
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EARTH
im not gonna say anything about heaven and hell
cause someone *cough(Bruce)cough* is going to start auto correct me.:p
 
Dec 2010
2,056
Australia
I was hoping for some discussion but thanks anyway...More *observations* to come.. Stay tuned..
 
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Mar 2011
315
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I was hoping for some discussion but thanks anyway...
Had there been an audience for it I personally would have liked to see a good discussion on this subject. However that does not seem to be the case as you can see yourself. The one problem is that people either see, are allowed to see!, a certain truth in the writings or they don't. Thus, irrespective of how much one would try the ones who believe in this truth believe it and the one's who don't, don't, and no one can convince them otherwise.

In my humble opinion, the intricacies of this topic you've raised are many but it's best that they are not spoken of! However, I personally would like to know what lead you to come to this conclusion.
 
Dec 2010
2,056
Australia
Had there been an audience for it I personally would have liked to see a good discussion on this subject. However that does not seem to be the case as you can see yourself. The one problem is that people either see, are allowed to see!, a certain truth in the writings or they don't. Thus, irrespective of how much one would try the ones who believe in this truth believe it and the one's who don't, don't, and no one can convince them otherwise.

In my humble opinion, the intricacies of this topic you've raised are many but it's best that they are not spoken of! However, I personally would like to know what lead you to come to this conclusion.
Well it isnt a really mind-blowing insight. We all know that we are just men here and the next world Abdul'Baha explains we assume a form befitting our souls nature and progress etc.

I was just saying it in another way...
Your right this forum is really lacking in participation. It's a shame..
 
Dec 2010
2,056
Australia
O ye two seekers after truth! Your letter was received and its contents noted. As for the letters ye had previously sent, not all were received, while some reached here at a time when the cruelty of the oppressors had so intensified that it was not possible to send a reply. Now this present letter is here, and we are able to answer it, and I have therefore set about writing, in spite of much pressing business, so that ye will know that ye are loved amongst us, and also accepted in the Kingdom of God.

Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct. For example, the mineral life occupieth its own plane, but a mineral entity is without any awareness at all of the vegetable kingdom, and indeed, with its inner tongue denieth that there is any such kingdom. In the same way, a vegetable entity knoweth nothing of the animal world, remaining completely 194 heedless and ignorant thereof, for the stage of the animal is higher than that of the vegetable, and the vegetable is veiled from the animal world and inwardly denieth the existence of that world -- all this while animal, vegetable and mineral dwell together in the one world. In the same way the animal remaineth totally unaware of that power of the human mind which graspeth universal ideas and layeth bare the secrets of creation -- so that a man who liveth in the east can make plans and arrangements for the west; can unravel mysteries; although located on the continent of Europe can discover America; although sited on the earth can lay hold of the inner realities of the stars of heaven. Of this power of discovery which belongeth to the human mind, this power which can grasp abstract and universal ideas, the animal remaineth totally ignorant, and indeed denieth its existence.

In the same way, the denizens of this earth are completely unaware of the world of the Kingdom and deny the existence thereof. They ask, for example: 'Where is the Kingdom? Where is the Lord of the Kingdom?' These people are even as the mineral and the vegetable, who know nothing whatever of the animal and the human realm; they see it not; they find it not. Yet the mineral and vegetable, the animal and man, are all living here together in this world of existence.

As to the second question: the tests and trials of God take place in this world, not in the world of the Kingdom.

The answer to the third question is this, that in the other world the human reality doth not assume a physical form, rather doth it take on a heavenly form, made up of elements of that heavenly realm.

And the answer to the fourth question: the centre of the Sun of Truth is in the supernal world -- the Kingdom of 195 God. Those souls who are pure and unsullied, upon the dissolution of their elemental frames, hasten away to the world of God, and that world is within this world. The people of this world, however, are unaware of that world, and are even as the mineral and the vegetable that know nothing of the world of the animal and the world of man.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p. 192)
 
Mar 2011
315
us
I had not read that answered questions before but had come to the same conclusion as you have mentioned in your first post through reading Baha'u'llah's writings.

It may or may not sound strange to some but regardless keep in mind that this is just my opinion and my understanding of the writings in this regard.

There is only one earth but many heavens. The Lords of these heavens are the Prophets and Manifestations of God. There's a hierarchy of these heavens which culminates to God Himself much like a pyramid with the upper most point being God and everything else emanating from His will. This explains the meaning of salvation in each dispensation. Though the good deeds of believers in previous religions may very well land them in their corresponding heaven, they will not be allowed to enter the higher heaven as they have denied it's Lord, God's Manifestation/prophet.