Introducing Venu - Talking Hinduism, the Baha'i faith and life
That would be true, but only if Venu chose to commit himself to being a Baha'i. But then he could not be a Hindu or a Christian. Since these religions contradict each other, believing in one precludes believing in the others, if we are going to be honest with ourselves.
When I read Bahaullah's mysticism, the spiritual vibration and potency I feel in his words tells me he is an avatar or manifestation of God. Nobody made me believe in anything about Bahaullah. I am not a big fan of belief systems. History has shown us that belief systems have led to religious wars, genocide and persecution of the innocent. And beliefs do not enhance one's ability to understand or practice the teachings of Bahaullah or Jesus in anyway. For example, if you start believing today that Jesus is the only Son of God, will it help you better interpret what he meant by Kingdom of God being within you in Luke 17:21 or his other esoteric teachings. Or does your belief that Bahaullah is a manifestation of God guarantee that you understand everything he wrote. If so, please offer a detailed explanation of Bahaullah's Tablet of the Maiden and Tablet of the Deathless Youth with answers to some of the questions I already asked you about them before. You couldn't answer my questions because your belief system couldn't help you come up with the answers. That's another reason I shun belief systems.
All the contradictions are because of the irrational belief systems that folks cling to. I am willing to bet if Bahaullah, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Krishna were in the same room, they would be in perfect harmony and agreement with each other.That would be true, but only if Venu chose to commit himself to being a Baha'i. But then he could not be a Hindu or a Christian. Since these religions contradict each other, believing in one precludes believing in the others, if we are going to be honest with ourselves.
Actually, that is true.All the contradictions are because of the irrational belief systems that folks cling to. I am willing to bet if Bahaullah, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Buddha and Krishna were in the same room, they would be in perfect harmony and agreement with each other.
Venu, as you have probably observed, this statement is something most Baha’is will object to, as Baha’u’llah did say that “anyone who lays claim to a Revelation direct from God before the expiration of a full thousand years is a lying imposter”. This does allow the possibility that certain mystics can receive inspiration from God, indirectly, In other words, the avatars you mention have received inspiration from God, but it was by intermediary of other spiritual beings who brought the message to them.Secondly, after Bahaullah there have been other avatars in India like Ramana Maharishi, Anandamayi Ma and Ramakrishna Paramahansa to name a few. So your belief that Bahaullah is the latest manifestation of God is questionable and is incorrect. You don't have to take my word for it. If you are interested in the truth and it is fine if you are not, take some time to study the lives of avatars I mentioned and if you are in tune with Bahaullah, the truth about these avatars will intuitively find resonance in your own consciousness because all avatars and manifestations of God drink from the same cup.
The Bahai are welcome to object but don't you think it is strange that you have to object to an assertion of truth that does not threaten the Bahai Faith in any way. It would be understandable if you disagree but do you really have to object? The words you are attributing to Bahaullah are similar to the following words that are attributed to Prophet Mohammed except that you have a 1000 year limit.Venu, as you have probably observed, this statement is something most Baha’is will object to, as Baha’u’llah did say that “anyone who lays claim to a Revelation direct from God before the expiration of a full thousand years is a lying imposter”
What's happening in other parts of the world is not dependent on Bahai beliefs. It sounds like you want to subordinate everything to Bahai beliefs. Bahaullah taught that the Bahai must independently investigate the truth. You obviously have not done that with regards to the avatars I mentioned. Instead you are using an idea found in mainstream Islam which is the intermediary of other spiritual beings like angel Gabriel bringing messages from God to prophets.This does allow the possibility that certain mystics can receive inspiration from God, indirectly, In other words, the avatars you mention have received inspiration from God, but it was by intermediary of other spiritual beings who brought the message to them.
I appreciate the definition but there is actually only one religion which is the religion of transforming man's human nature in to divine nature. Avatars like Moses, Jesus, Krishna and Buddha did not say that they are starting new religious systems. For example you will never find Jesus calling his teachings Christianity or Buddha calling his teaching Buddhism or Krishna calling his teachings Hinduism. In fact Hinduism has no founder. Hinduism existed for thousands of years before Krishna even during the time of Rama. So by your own definition Krishna may not be a manifestation of God but Abdul Baha said he was. Mohammed did call his revelation Islam but he also mentioned that it is not a new religion. Islam is just an Arabic name for the eternal truths expressed by prophets since Adam. God created the planet and people have divided it in to countries and gave them different names. Likewise God gave eternal truths through prophets and people have divided them in to religions and gave them different names. And just like one country fights another, you have one religion pitted against another fighting for supremacy. This kind of tribalism will never end when you allow belief systems to divide people on the basis of man made religion and man made borders.The term “manifestation of God” is meaningless until we specify a definition for it. In Baha’i terms, Manifestation of God refers to the founders of the great religious systems, and are the focal point of a Revelation, which is written down in Holy Scriptures that are used in worship by millions of followers for a thousand years or more.
I agree that different prophets manifest divinity to varying degrees but that does not mean God has placed an arbitrary limit on the number of avatars that would incarnate during a given period. You are advocating a model based on a religious system but the reality is much more complex than that. The greatness of an avatar is not be measured by the number of followers. Avatars often times incarnate to help humanity by their mere presence. Simply put, they are needed to oppose and nullify all the negative vibrations from the wrong doings of man, through their positive spiritual vibrations. They may have a few followers or no followers or millions of followers. They may write no books at all. Jesus is a good example of an avatar no never wrote a book and he only had 12 disciples. Number of followers and number of books authored can never be a measure for the greatness of an avatar. It is their inner realization and manifestation of divinity that matter.This is to be distinguished from lesser prophets who do receive inspiration from God, but are under the shadow of the Manifestation who founded the religious system. For instance, Moses was a Manifestation, and prophets such as Daniel and Isaiah were lesser prophets within the Dispensation of Moses.
That can be said of Hindu avatars I listed as well. But again I do not agree that an avatar's spiritual stature is measured by number of books authored or followers attracted. Is it not possible that an avatar can silently use his/her spiritual power to help mankind evolve in to a better race? Is it not possible that an avatar can humbly choose to remain in obscurity and carry out the mission given by God. Are you going to set the rules for God and His avatars? Is it not possible that you with your limited mental capabilities cannot understand all the mysterious ways that God operates through His avatars? Something to think about.I suppose to an outside observer, there is no way to know which prophet or mystic will eventually have millions or billions of followers and scriptures that will be used for thousands of years in the future.
Are you referring to Duane's OP?1) This post seems dangerously close to proselytizing, which is forbidden.
2) This would probably be more appropriate as a private message rather than a public post calling out a specific user.