Was Jesus' death on the cross a sin offering or Not?

Jul 2017
238
Kettering, Ohio USA
#11
In conclusion, we can see that the concept of atonement, as it is understood in the Bahá'í texts, denies the idea that God requires the payment of a blood sacrifice in order for the forgiveness of sins to be achieved; it rejects belief in the inherent supremacy of Jesus over other religious founders and discards the notion that only Jesus suffered and died for humanity’s sake

After reading this I think I will remain a Christian.
If God required Christ to be crucified in order for our sins to be forgiven, that would make Him an unmerciful God.
 
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Nov 2015
140
Canada
#12
Indeed, why is death required for salvation? I initially I struggled with the thought of being responsible for the washing away of my own sins, instead of being forgiven for what Christ had experienced. How unfair God would have treated Jesus, if it were the case that he atoned for our sins? God of all beings, the all-merciful and all-loving, would force the death of a person so that peoples sins could be forgiven?

No. We are responsible for our sins. We are the ones who sin, after all. We must take matters into our own hands and right the wrongs we as people may have done. This is not an area I'm extremely experienced with outside of my initial struggle, so my apologies if there's any quotes that go against what I've said.

I wish you the best of luck on your spiritual journey, no matter what religion you find yourself in :)
 
Sep 2010
4,388
Normanton Far North Queensland
#13
I didn't know anything about this religion. It sounded cool at first. But now it doesn't sound cool at all. I believe in the atonement of Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of my sins.
Christ did indeed die so we could find forgiveness for the sins we commit.

The Bab gave His life so we find our Salvation in the One Whom God would make Manifest. Baha'u'llah.

Baha'ullah faced years of Persecution so that mankind could find true liberty which is submission unto God and His Laws, for the Salvation of all Humanity.

This forgiveness remains in our acceptance of Christ and in following God's Laws and guidance in Word and Deed.

Regards Tony
 
Mar 2015
187
Bend area, Oregon
#14
One place an answer can be found is in the Fire Tablet where a dialog between He who is the Recipient of Revelation and the Voice of God occurs. The Voice of God uttered, “When the swords flash, go forward! When the shafts fly, press onward! O Thou Sacrifice of the worlds.” For a fuller understanding, please see the entire Tablet here: Bahá'à Reference Library - Bahá’à Prayers: A Selection of Prayers Revealed by Bahá’u’lláh, the Báb, and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 214-220

-LR
 
Aug 2014
1,346
Blue Planet
#15
now what does it really mean to be an atonement for the sins of humanity? I was thinking about this ever since I started studying Bible, because I saw this particular sentence very often in it. then I reached to this part "Letter to the Hebrews" and it is the first time I see a clear explanation about "being an atonement for the sins of humanity". It may be the only time there is that explanation in the Bible. it goes as this:

Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil: 15 And might deliver them, who through the fear of death were all their lifetime subject to servitude. 16 For nowhere doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold.


so in fact Jesus Christ, through His death, delivered people of their fear of death. and what is death in Biblical and religious symbolism? it is sin. so in a way, when Christ died on the cross, He showed the Jews that it is not a sin, not a source of fear, to declare their faith on Jesus even if in the past they believed that the laws of Moses were unchangeable. Jews for example, I saw many many times in Bible, argued about the matter of "Circumcision" and it remained a problem for them and a barrier. they were afraid to take the new laws; they thought only the old laws could save them. Jesus died to show them that their fear was useless and illogical.

with this explanation, do you think, dear Joey, that your fear of death is also cured? do not you fear to let go of the old laws for the new ones? I hope that is the case. I am not saying that you should, but I think to do so is a sign of being delivered from sin through Jesus crucification.
 
Mar 2015
187
Bend area, Oregon
#16
I offer for consideration more words from Bahá’u’lláh, the manifestation of that ancient, divine, and universal Reality - the Primal Will - that cycles in and out of human history to illuminate and educate humankind.

“Praise be to Thee, O Lord My God, for the wondrous revelations of Thy inscrutable decree and the manifold woes and trials Thou hast destined for Myself. At one time Thou didst deliver Me into the hands of Nimrod; at another Thou hast allowed Pharaoh’s rod to persecute Me. Thou, alone, canst estimate, through Thine all-encompassing knowledge and the operation of Thy Will, the incalculable afflictions I have suffered at their hands. Again Thou didst cast Me into the prison-cell of the ungodly, for no reason except that I was moved to whisper into the ears of the well-favored denizens of Thy Kingdom an intimation of the vision with which Thou hadst, through Thy knowledge, inspired Me, and revealed to Me its meaning through the potency of Thy might. And again Thou didst decree that I be beheaded by the sword of the infidel. Again I was crucified for having unveiled to men’s eyes the hidden gems of Thy glorious unity, for having revealed to them the wondrous signs of Thy sovereign and everlasting power. How bitter the humiliations heaped upon Me, in a subsequent age, on the plain of Karbilá! How lonely did I feel amidst Thy people! To what a state of helplessness I was reduced in that land! Unsatisfied with such indignities, My persecutors decapitated Me, and, carrying aloft My head from land to land paraded it before the gaze of the unbelieving multitude, and deposited it on the seats of the perverse and faithless. In a later age, I was suspended, and My breast was made a target to the darts of the malicious cruelty of My foes. My limbs were riddled with bullets, and My body was torn asunder. Finally, behold how, in this Day, My treacherous enemies have leagued themselves against Me, and are continually plotting to instill the venom of hate and malice into the souls of Thy servants. With all their might they are scheming to accomplish their purpose…. Grievous as is My plight, O God, My Well-Beloved, I render thanks unto Thee, and My Spirit is grateful for whatsoever hath befallen me in the path of Thy good-pleasure. I am well pleased with that which Thou didst ordain for Me, and welcome, however calamitous, the pains and sorrows I am made to suffer.” (Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, XXXIX)

-LR
 
Jan 2018
71
Maine
#17
Hello all Bahia's I am back! I decided that I was misunderstanding the Bahia faith and decided to give it another chance. This religion really isn't a bad religion it's pretty good actually. No hell, no everlasting torment. It sounds really good. I was a Christian before joining the Bahai faith. I decided that religion Christianity comes from Rome and I don't believe the Romans. So I will give the Bahai faith a chance. I like this one! I will stay this time.
 
Jul 2017
310
Olympia, WA, USA
#18
Hello all Bahia's I am back! I decided that I was misunderstanding the Bahia faith and decided to give it another chance. This religion really isn't a bad religion it's pretty good actually. No hell, no everlasting torment. It sounds really good. I was a Christian before joining the Bahai faith. I decided that religion Christianity comes from Rome and I don't believe the Romans. So I will give the Bahai faith a chance. I like this one! I will stay this time.
I am happy that you decided to stay. It is worth the ride :D
The Baha'i Faith is not always that easy to understand so we have to take it in increments. :eek:
 
Mar 2013
526
Edwardsville, Illinois, USA
#19
Hello all Bahia's I am back! I decided that I was misunderstanding the Bahia faith and decided to give it another chance. This religion really isn't a bad religion it's pretty good actually. No hell, no everlasting torment. It sounds really good. I was a Christian before joining the Bahai faith. I decided that religion Christianity comes from Rome and I don't believe the Romans. So I will give the Bahai faith a chance. I like this one! I will stay this time.
You are very welcome to participate in the forum regardless of what religion you believe in, but we are certainly happy you are giving The Baha'i Faith a chance. It is truly vast, greater than any of us can represent, and it can take a lifetime and more to fully appreciate.

When I saw your questions back in January, I thought to comment, but didn't have a chance. With regard to the Atonement of Jesus, what I have realized is that we have the ability with this new Revelation to look back and think about what the meaning of atonement is, what is the significance of the sacrifices and offerings that people have made to God over many thousands of years and countless religions. Does God need our sacrifices? I don't think so, God is independent of all things. Rather, we need to make sacrifices, it helps us grow. So how does the sacrifice of Jesus help us grow if it is really us that need to sacrifice ourselves?
 
Jan 2018
71
Maine
#20
If God required Christ to be crucified in order for our sins to be forgiven, that would make Him an unmerciful God.
I decided to join the Bahai faith so I did just recently. I was just misunderstanding Bahai interpretation that is all. I like this religion. :yes: I like the concept of this religion better. I like that everyone has a chance to learn and develop spiritually. If you think about it Christ's death was a sacrifice for our spiritual well being. So that we can learn and progress into the afterlife spiritually. I think I have the correct understanding now. :) I almost remained a Christian. But realized I'd rather be living in the new era than the old one. I eventually came around I just needed to study and develop spiritually.
 

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