what does it mean to 'forget ourselves'

Feb 2019
70
Chicago
#11
Where did he say that? That sounds kind of judgmental. :(
Check this out. The link to the Abdul Baha's talk is at the bottom.

It is an axiomatic fact that while you meditate you are speaking with your own spirit. In that state of mind you put certain questions to your spirit and the spirit answers: the light breaks forth and the reality is revealed.

You cannot apply the name ‘man’ to any being void of this faculty of meditation; without it he would be a mere animal, lower than the beasts.

Through the faculty of meditation man attains to eternal life; through it he receives the breath of the Holy Spirit—the bestowal of the Spirit is given in reflection and meditation.

The spirit of man is itself informed and strengthened during meditation; through it affairs of which man knew nothing are unfolded before his view. Through it he receives Divine inspiration, through it he receives heavenly food.

Meditation is the key for opening the doors of mysteries. In that state man abstracts himself: in that state man withdraws himself from all outside objects; in that subjective mood he is immersed in the ocean of spiritual life and can unfold the secrets of things-in-themselves. To illustrate this, think of man as endowed with two kinds of sight; when the power of insight is being used the outward power of vision does not see.

This faculty of meditation frees man from the animal nature, discerns the reality of things, puts man in touch with God.

This faculty brings forth from the invisible plane the sciences and arts. Through the meditative faculty inventions are made possible, colossal undertakings are carried out; through it governments can run smoothly. Through this faculty man enters into the very Kingdom of God.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Paris Talks, Pages 173-176
 
Oct 2014
1,794
Stockholm
#12
Abdu'l-Bahá always said the right and wise thing. And, judging from my personal understanding of His wisdom, I am sure that He felt that most people should be very happy to be considered as being on the same level as a a perfect animal, such as a cat. :)

gnat
 
Jul 2017
263
Kettering, Ohio USA
#13
Check this out. The link to the Abdul Baha's talk is at the bottom.

It is an axiomatic fact that while you meditate you are speaking with your own spirit. In that state of mind you put certain questions to your spirit and the spirit answers: the light breaks forth and the reality is revealed.

You cannot apply the name ‘man’ to any being void of this faculty of meditation; without it he would be a mere animal, lower than the beasts.

Through the faculty of meditation man attains to eternal life; through it he receives the breath of the Holy Spirit—the bestowal of the Spirit is given in reflection and meditation.

The spirit of man is itself informed and strengthened during meditation; through it affairs of which man knew nothing are unfolded before his view. Through it he receives Divine inspiration, through it he receives heavenly food.

Meditation is the key for opening the doors of mysteries. In that state man abstracts himself: in that state man withdraws himself from all outside objects; in that subjective mood he is immersed in the ocean of spiritual life and can unfold the secrets of things-in-themselves. To illustrate this, think of man as endowed with two kinds of sight; when the power of insight is being used the outward power of vision does not see.

This faculty of meditation frees man from the animal nature, discerns the reality of things, puts man in touch with God.

This faculty brings forth from the invisible plane the sciences and arts. Through the meditative faculty inventions are made possible, colossal undertakings are carried out; through it governments can run smoothly. Through this faculty man enters into the very Kingdom of God.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Paris Talks, Pages 173-176
This says only those who have the faculty of meditation are men. This does not say anything about actual meditation. Besides, aren't we meditating when we pray mindfully? Also saying the greatest name 95 times is a meditation.
 
May 2018
104
New Zealand
#14
"The first Taraz (Ornament) and the first effulgence which hath dawned from the horizon of the Mother Book is that man should know his own self and recognize that which leadeth unto loftiness or lowliness, glory or abasement, wealth or poverty."

So we must first know ourselves before we can forget ourselves ?
-T
 
Feb 2019
70
Chicago
#15
This says only those who have the faculty of meditation are men. This does not say anything about actual meditation. Besides, aren't we meditating when we pray mindfully? Also saying the greatest name 95 times is a meditation.
Abdul Baha is saying that without meditation man would be a beast. There are many forms of meditation. All that matters is whether or not the particular form of meditation we have chosen for oursleves is putting us in contact with God.
 
Feb 2019
70
Chicago
#16
"The first Taraz (Ornament) and the first effulgence which hath dawned from the horizon of the Mother Book is that man should know his own self and recognize that which leadeth unto loftiness or lowliness, glory or abasement, wealth or poverty."

So we must first know ourselves before we can forget ourselves ?
-T
Since man has dual nature one of which is human that leads us in to selfish and evil actions and the other divine which is rooted in the soul, we are being asked to know the difference between the two so we can lead ourselves in to loftiness, glory and wealth instead of lowliness, abasement and poverty. When man through spiritual practices and efforts purifies his heart and mind, he manifests his spiritual or divine nature that includes qualities like love, compassion, kindness, dispassion, humility etc. At that point the human nature which includes qualities like anger, selfishness, ego, pride, greed, fear and lust automatically falls off and man is able to forget his self (identification with human nature). The self is dead and the Self is born in man through manifestation of spiritual qualities.

O SON OF MAN! If thou lovest Me, turn away from thyself; and if thou seekest My pleasure, regard not thine own; that thou mayest die in Me and I may eternally live in thee. - The Hidden Words of Bahaullah
 

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